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What’s Brewing for Fish Lake?

Posted by Sarah Cox at Oct 21, 2010 12:00 AM | Permalink
A loophole in Canadian law, which now allows freshwater bodies of water--including B.C.’s Fish Lake--to be “reclassified” as waste rock dumps and toxic tailings ponds for mines. In this case, the “pity” is that Canada allows this shortsighted practice at all.

The Red Rose tea company used to run a television commercial with the catchphrase “Only in Canada, you say?” After a prim lady sampled the tea, she paused and added “Pity.”

The same catchphrase could be applied to a loophole in Canadian law, which now allows freshwater bodies of water--including B.C.’s Fish Lake--to be “reclassified” as waste rock dumps and toxic tailings ponds for mines. In this case, the “pity” is that Canada allows this shortsighted practice at all.

European countries do not permit bodies of fresh water to be converted into tailings ponds. This questionable practice has only been approved once in the United States, at the Kensington gold mine in southeast Alaska. Ironically, given Canada’s promotion during the Winter Olympic Games of our striking scenery, sparkling lakes and First Nations culture, there are four pristine Canadian natural water bodies that have already been authorized for destruction under this loophole in our federal Fisheries Act. Fish Lake would be the fifth.

Fish Lake is a rainbow-trout filled lake in central B.C., 125 kilometers southwest of Williams Lake. Taseko Mines Ltd. proposes to drain Fish Lake in order to access gold and copper deposits and make room for a waste rock dump. The company also plans to destroy upper Fish Creek and Little Fish Lake for the disposal of toxic tailings. In return, Taseko says it will dig a new lake to compensate for the loss of the natural water bodies and Fish Lake’s genetically unique species of 85,000 rainbow trout. It will call the man-made lake “Prosperity Lake.” Environmental considerations aside -- and there are plenty -- the trouble for Taseko is that Fish Lake is sacred to the Tsilhqot-in First Nations, who are staunchly opposed to this Orwellian madness.

Fish Lake, Fish Creek and Little Fish Lake are on the traditional lands of the Xeni Gwet’in First Nation, a member of the Tsilhqot’in National Government, which won a court case recognizing its rights to the area. The Tsilhqot’in call Fish Lake “Teztan Biny”. Teztan Biny is surrounded by cultural sites, including burial grounds. When Xeni Gwet’in chief Marilyn Baptiste speaks about Teztan Biny, it is with reverence, pride and great determination. Baptiste belongs to a group called “First Nations Women Advocating Responsible Mining.” Last year, frustrated by dealings with Taseko, the group placed an ad in the Globe and Mail and Financial Post: “Are you a Prince Charming? First Nations women seek sensitive mining companies for meaningful long-term relationships. Must be good listeners; willing to share decision making; and environmentally, socially and culturally responsible. Must clean up after themselves. Money-grubbing gold-diggers need not apply.”

The B.C. government recognized the importance of Teztan Biny to the Tsilhqot’in in 2004 when it turned down an application for a 35-hectare lodge expansion, on the grounds that it would impinge on First Nations “traditional and cultural use” and harm fish-habitat. Yet the footprint of Taseko’s 35-square kilometer “Prosperity” proposal—100 times larger--dwarfs the comparatively mouse-sized print of the rejected lodge expansion. And that’s not the only inconsistency in the B.C. government’s stance on Fish Lake.

Fish Lake is one of B.C.’s top 10 catch-and-release fishing lakes, and its stark beauty and still waters were featured on a B.C. tourism brochure. Despite the lake’s appeal, in July, B.C. Mining Minister Bill Bennett-- previously B.C.’s Minister of Tourism -- publicly referred to Fish Lake as “a tiny little pothole of a lake...a shallow, mucky lake with too many small rainbows in it.”

Photo: Lee-Anne Stack, www.oceans-and-above.com

Compare Bennett’s depiction of Fish Lake with the findings of the B.C. Environmental Assessment of Taseko’s proposal, which concluded that the “significant adverse effect” to fish habitat in Fish Lake and Little Fish Lake was the only serious negative impact posed by the project. The loss of the lakes, said the B.C. Environmental Assessment Office, would be offset by the “compensatory values” of the new Prosperity Lake. In June, the B.C. government granted Taseko a 25-year renewable lease, claiming that the mine’s economic benefits would outweigh any environmental impact.

Over to the federal environmental assessment process. Completed in July, the federal assessment found that Taseko’s mine project would result in “high-magnitude, long-term and irreversible impacts on fish and fish habitat”, and significant adverse effects on "the Tsilhqot'in Nation" and "established Tsilhqot'in aboriginal rights". The panel also noted the "significant adverse cumulative effect" on grizzly bears in the South Chilcotin region.

The decision about whether to approve or nix Taseko’s proposal was then turned over to Prime Minister Stephen Harper, where it sits. If federal cabinet approves the mine, it will be the first time the government has ever overruled negative findings from a Canadian Environmental Assessment Act review.

Chances are that Prime Minister Harper and his cabinet have already made a decision about the fate of Fish Lake, but are keeping mum until a communications strategy is in place. The word is that a decision will be announced as early as next week.

Only in Canada?

Pity.

Wow, there are so many distortions, I'm not sure where to start.
Wow, there are so many distortions, I'm not sure where to start. says:
Jan 16, 2012 12:23 PM
It's fine to have an opinion on something, but please, don't distort the facts or slant the news to make your point. If it can't stand on it's own, maybe it doesn't deserve to stand.

1) Fish lake is not being used for a "tailings pond". Go to Teseko corporations website and read the proposal. It has to be drained as the main ore body lies under it.

2) This goes along with #1. The environemtal study found that water quality in the area will not be adversly affected. The habitat will be changed and disturbed. It could also be changed and disturbed by a natural event, such as a Forest fire. The difference is that Nature is not going to replace it with a bigger, better impound lake. (If you've never fished an impound lake, I can tell you that they can be some of the most impressive and productive lakes in a given region, if done properly.

3) At least one independent study has definitely proven that the trout in Fish Lake are not "genitically unique". That fallacy has been disproven for some time now. Eighty five thousand trout has also been shown to be a :somewhat generous estimate.

4) Fish lake is sacred to the local tribe? Maybe for their great grandfathers. You know what is sacred to the modern tribal leaders? Cash. Assembly of First Nations National Chief Shawn A-in-chut Atleo was just quoted yesterday in the Williams Lake Tribune as saying "projects such as the mine should be, at the minimum, jointly designed and developed". Yunesit’in (Stone) Chief Ivor Myers was quoted as saying "We’re a governing body ourselves and when the federal and provincial governments allow other interest parties to extract our resources, that’s stolen property" and in the same article Toosey Chief Francis Laceese was quoted as saying "the courts will eventually have to admit that the Tsilhqot’in own the land".
So, you see, it;s all about the land, the cash, and who owns it.
See the actual article here: http://www.bclocalnews.com/[…]/105416353.html

There is only one problem with that. According to this press release the Canadian courts have ALREADY ruled on that issue. http://www.marketwire.com/p[…]al-Title-TSX-TKO-796857.htm
"The William decision, released by the Supreme Court of British Columbia on November 21, 2007"...held that..the Tsilhqot'in people have an aboriginal right to hunt and trap birds and animals throughout the 4,381 square kilometers, including the land affected by the Prosperity project. However, on the matter of aboriginal title, independent legal counsel to the Company has confirmed that the Court, after very careful deliberation, expressed an opinion on what area of the 4,381 square kilometers is aboriginal title land, and the proposed Prosperity mine is not in that area."

4) The above point illustrates your fourth error, yes, the mine is on "historic" triballands and the tribe does have the right to hunt and fish on it, but it does not belong to them and Taseko clearly and legally owns the land and mineral rights.
It's amusing that you use this quote "Money-grubbing gold-diggers need not apply", becuase isn't that exactly how the local tribes are acting?

5) Taseko has proven to be a good corporate citizen in every other projectthey have been involved with. They demonstrated this again in their proposal to build a new habitat to replace the Fish Lake habitat. If the tribes are reasonable and recognizes the companies legal rights, what makes you think that Taseko won't do the same?

6) Legal ownership of the land trumps "traditional and cultural use" of the land. In every free country. Legally.

7) It is a lovely little lake. However, we have no reason to believe that a well stocked, well concieved impound lake wouldn't be even better for both sport fishing, and food fishing, and might actually increase the economic activity in the area. It is purported to much larger than Tiny fish Lake, which is really more like a very large ond than a lake. Maybe a lodge could be built at the new site?

8) The environmental panel only found TWO negative impacts on the out of a total of TWENTY FOUR that were studied and included in the proposal. That is about 10% negative, right? And with the bear issue, it was found the increased presence of humans in the area might disrupt the habitat of a very tiny bear population. It also did not take into account the effect of the construction of a new, larger lake and habitat on the tribal lands to replace the lost habitat, so in this case, once again only part of the picture is presented.

I am as pro environemt as anyone. I am for sustainable logging, saving as many species as possible, renewable energy, recycling, keeping natural areas like national parks as pristine as possible, and doing everything we can do to mitigate the footprint of man on this planet while trying to raise the living conditions of our fellow human beings. Humans need base metals such as copper for our society (plenty ofcopper in your PC) and we need the leveraged economic impact that responsible industry provides. There are currently at least 100 times more humans on this planet than could be supported by "living off the land in the ancient ways" as nice as that sounds.

So you see, we are on the same side. But please, next time just stick to the facts. And the main fact is that Taseko legally owns the land and the mineral rights under it, and they should be allowed to do as they wish, in the most reasonably environmentally responsible way possible. Also, that this project will be of great and substatial value to the majority of the people of B.C., the local B.C. government, the federal government, the hundreds of thousands of small investors in the company, (including Canadian Teacher Pension Funds), and the millions of people that wil use products made from the copper that is mined there. And yes, even the local tribes stand to benefit both economically and materially. Even though they would prefer to control the entire project. But who wouldn't. That's just greed and human nature. And that's why they are manipulating the emotions of well meaning people like yourself. There is a staggering amount of wealth at stake. That's what this is really about. Not trout.

-originally posted Oct. 22, 2010
Your Sources...?
Your Sources...? says:
Jan 16, 2012 12:24 PM
"Fish Lake is one of B.C.’s top 10 catch-and-release fishing lakes, and its stark beauty and still waters were featured on a B.C. tourism brochure."

Might I ask who the source on this is?

I have fished throughout BC, and have also been to the area. I find it hard to believe that the recognized small and generally 'poor quality' Trout in a small body of water like Fish Lake are within the top 100 of BC's top C&R lakes.

My mistake if I am wrong about your info, but I have Fished MANY better spots than Fish Lake in BC.

-originally posted Oct. 22, 2010
Re "Your Sources"
Re "Your Sources" says:
Jan 16, 2012 12:24 PM
In 1995, DFO confirmed that Fish Lake was among the top 10 lakes in B.C. in terms of catch success and they refused to consider its destruction.

“The analysis carried out by DFO officials has concluded that there would be permanent destruction of high-quality fish habitats if the project proceeds as presently planned, and that compensation, as defined by the DFO policy for the management of fish habitat, does not appear to be technically feasible in this case,” said an Oct. 30, 1995 letter to a provincial assistant deputy minister with Ministry of Environment from DFO’s executive director of habitat enhancement. “Accordingly, since it appears that the project cannot be mitigated and that compensation is not technically feasible, I will not recommend to my superiors that…authorization be issued for this project.”

DFO does not consider artificial production to be appropriate as compensation for potential loss of productive capacity,” said an April 1, 2008, letter from Adam Silverstien, DFO’s environmental assessment and major projects manager, to Roderick Bell-Irving, Taskeo’s environmental assessment manager.
“Taseko’s proposed development would cause permanent and irreversible loss of a large area of productive fish habitat.”

I have been to Fish Lake. I have fished in Fish Lake. I do not believe you are "as much of an environmentalist as anyone else". Fish Lake is a treasure both to the First Nations whose territory it's in and to the hundreds of fishers who have been going there for generations.

Stating things as "facts" which are far from the truth is a devious and nasty way to spread mistruths.

-originally posted Oct. 22, 2010
Where to begin indeed...?
Where to begin indeed...? says:
Jan 16, 2012 12:25 PM
The anonymous reply with the long list of comments sounds authoritative - and contains almost as many distortions (or omissions) as s/he purports to address. To be clear, I would address them in the same numerical order.
1. Correct - Fish Lake is not to be used as a tailings pond. It would be drained and used to store the waste rock. And the nearby water bodies of Little Fish Lake (Nabas) and Fish Creek would be used to store the tailings. So more of the watershed is destroyed.

2. Incorrect - The independent CEAA Panel found that water would be affected and would in fact require substantial water treatment, something that it stated would be a burden on future governments. I'll get to the fake lake later.

3. To the genetic uniqueness - the author of that report did ultimately come back to the panel to say that they are unique. And as for the estimates of 85,000 fish - that is from DFO. Take it up with the federal government.

4. Incorrect - So easy to be dismissive of something as intangible as the quality of sacredness. However, to address the comment that it may only be sacred "for their grandfathers" the Panel heard from several generations of Tsilhqot'in including youth, about their connection to the area and lake, to its power, they value they place on it and its place in the cultural heart of the community.

The Panel has clearly described what is at stake for the Tsilhqot'in people: "The Panel has determined that the loss of Teztan Biny (Fish Lake) and Nabas areas for current use activities, ceremonies, teaching, and cultural and spiritual practices would be irreversible, of high magnitude and have a long term effect on the Tsilhqot'in" [Report, p. 203]. The Panel confirmed that "the island in Teztan Biny (Fish Lake), which would be destroyed by the mine waste storage area, is a place of spiritual power and healing for the Tsilhqot'in."

To continue on point 4, you state (without question it is worth noting) from a Taseko Mines press release with respect to rights and title that the Tsilhqot'in do not hold title in the mine area. They do, as you note, hold aboriginal rights to hunt and trap in the area. The key point is that the issue of title is on appeal. It is before the courts in November.

You state Taseko owns the land - in fact, they lease it. The rights of the Tsilhqot'in are constitutionally enshrined and therefore accorded a high level of protection. And though the comment includes another challenge to the "historic" nature of the Tsilhqot'in connection to the land, the CEAA Panel concluded that the area is a very important, actively used present day site for the Tsilhqot'in people.

5. Incorrect - Taseko does not have a good record for its other major mine - Gibraltar - with First Nations.

6. Incorrect - Legal ownership does not trump traditional and cultural use - neither in Canada nor around the world. Courts all over the globe, most recently in Belize, have intervened to protect First Nations rights.

7. Incorrect - the Panel again disagreed with Taseko's claims that the plan to create a man-made replacement 'lake' would be a sufficient substitute for the current habitat-bearing lake. In fact renowned expert Dr. Hartman (on whom Taseko relied for his research) concluded the replacement lake was bound to fail.

8. This smacks somewhat of the analogy that 'everything about the car is fine, it's just the engine that doesn't work'. Based on the overwhelming evidence brought forward during public hearings, the independent Panel concluded that mine would have “cumulative high and irreversible impacts” in a number of areas, including Tsilhqot'in people and culture, that the false “Prosperity Lake” could not begin to meet DFO's requirements for “no net loss”, that the impacts on blue-listed (endangered) grizzly bears would also be cumulative and irreversible, and that navigation under the Navigable Waters Protection Act would be impossible.

An independent Panel has confirmed that the proposed Project would have significant adverse impacts on proven and asserted Tsilhqot’in Aboriginal rights, and that there are no mitigation measures in place to accommodate or justify these infringements; in fact, the Panel could not even recommend measures to accommodate these substantial losses. Approval of the Project in the face of these conclusions would constitute a flagrant and unlawful violation of the constitutional rights of the Tsilhqot’in people under s. 35 of the Constitution Act.

Mining has its place but not as such high cost. And Taseko has chosen the least environmentally responsible path (eschewing other options because of the cost even though they could save the lake).

The claims of jobs and economic benefits have also been refuted - Dr. Marvin Shaffer explained in detail in a report accepted by the panel that the mine would present a net cost of at least $20 million dollars per year over the life of the mine - due in part to massive BC Hydro subsidies to Taseko for the project, and also to very significant highway maintenance costs that will be borne by the province, not to mention greenhouse gas offsets that will be required.

The jobs - very few would go to the local people - even to those in Williams Lake. And the impact of bringing hundreds of outsiders in to the Tsilhqot'in area would be devastating to the culture.

Your final point is that there is a staggering amount of wealth at stake. On this you are correct. But it would go mainly to the company and its shareholders.

-originally posted Oct. 22, 2010
Lots of "Facts" here from both sides
Lots of "Facts" here from both sides says:
Jan 16, 2012 12:25 PM
I just stumbled upon this article. Quite an interesting give and take from both sides. While I do not profess to be an expert, it is patently obvious that BOTH sides are slanting the facts to fit their own agendas.

I have done a lot of reading about this particular issue. It seems like I need to do more research to discern more of the actual truth here.

I am motivated to do so becuase I do have a dog in this fight. I am one of the tens of thousands of little shareholders that is depending on this stock in order to have be able to have a retirement where I don't have to eat cat food. (You see I am one of the less privileged that don't have any "aboriginal rights".)

The shareholders of this company are not evil, nor are we rich. This stock has low institutional ownership, and many share are in the hands of pensioners and pension funds (like the Canadian teachers retirement fund).

I do not know about Taseko's relationship with the First Nation tribes, but their relationship with the communities is excellent, and they have won awards for being good corporate citizens. Compared to most other mining companies, they are like a saint. (I do extensive research on what limited investments I have, as I cannot afford to make a bad decision.)

I have read the environmental report, and some of the other materials surrounding this project. It appears to me that the potential rewards of this project outweigh the potential risks of this project. That's my opinion, and obviously other people have different opinions. Neither one of us are either right or wrong, both of us are tight to a degree, and both of us are wrong to a degree.

The big question of course, is to what degree?

Everything in like is a trade off, investments, the environment, life, love, etc. etc.

The world needs copper, and the world needs wilderness natural sanctuaries. Which one would benefit the greatest amount of people?

-originally posted Oct. 23, 2010
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